In the new Netflix series 鈥�,鈥� conversations about racism on a college campus take center stage. The story features members of the Black Student Union at a fictional Ivy League college called Winchester University, where the main character hosts a socially-conscious radio show. The series has received praise for featuring nuanced stories of students of color, and backlash by some who consider the show racist.
Meanwhile, last month rapper released his highly-anticipated album 鈥淒AMN.鈥� The album is a follow up to Lamar鈥檚 seminal record 鈥淭o Pimp A Butterfly,鈥� and adopts an introspective and highly-charged tone. However, the album鈥檚 single 鈥溾€� has been met with criticism for its objectification of women鈥檚 bodies.
Host Frank Stasio talked about the latest in popular culture with Natalie Bullock Brown, professor of film and broadcast media at St. Augustine鈥檚 University in Raleigh, and Mark Anthony Neal, professor of African and African-American studies at Duke University in Durham.鈥�
INTERVIEW HIGHLIGHTS
On the Netflix series 鈥淒ear White People鈥� that features a socially-conscious radio show:
Natalie Bullock Brown: The conversations we see in 鈥淒ear White People鈥� between the black characters are really no different than what you would find on the campus of a historically black college or university. I think that鈥檚 what makes the series really interesting. It drives home the idea that black people are not a monolith. There are so many different manifestations of who we are, and some of those overlap and some of them don鈥檛. It鈥檚 important to understand that black people, in our experiences, we share a lot of them in common. And at the same time we absolutely bring different perspectives to similar problems.
Mark Anthony Neal: It鈥檚 important that [the character Samantha White] is attempting to have a conversation. The title of the radio show is not 鈥淒amn White People,鈥� it鈥檚 鈥淒ear White People.鈥� She is trying to draw them in in some way, but doing so in a way that is unfiltered. If we are going to actually have this conversation, we have to have some real talk鈥� Most young white folks, if they are grown up in situations where they haven鈥檛 had regular interactions with African-Americans, it鈥檚 important for them to hear these kinds of narratives because it is countering these other perceptions of blackness they get through mainstream media.
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On the protest of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos鈥檚 commencement speech at Bethune-Cookman University, a historically black university, and the debate around free speech on college campuses:
Natalie Bullock Brown: What we have to parse out is the fact that she was appointed by 鈥�45,鈥� who is a president that does not understand or appreciate the legacy of historically black colleges or universities. He doesn鈥檛 appreciate or understand black folks. That鈥檚 number one. Number two: 鈥�45鈥� recently came out with a statement that questions the constitutionality of even supporting, from a financial perspective, historically black colleges and universities. Then you add to that Devos鈥檚 ignorant comment about HBCUs being 鈥減ioneers of choice,鈥� when there were no choices.
Mark Anthony Neal: When these black students turned their backs to Ms. DeVos, part of it is a critique of her, but it is also a critique of the institution. The thing that folks don鈥檛 want to wrap their heads around is there are ways in which black folks have been historically progressive politically around race, but there is a large segment of the black community that is quite frankly culturally and socially conservative, if not backward. There are many of these black institutions, many don鈥檛 want to talk about, that are to the right of the black church in this context. When you think about this invitation going out to Ms. DeVos, folks don鈥檛 realize that some of the leadership of these institutions share her politics, so for them this is perfectly normal.
On Kendrick Lamar鈥檚 recent album 鈥淒AMN.鈥�:
Mark Anthony Neal: Drake is killing all of these guys on the pop side. He鈥檚 most visible and selling all these records. Then you have someone like North Carolina鈥檚 own J. Cole who is the anti-commercial rapper. Kendrick is in this middle space. How is he a successful pop artist, but at the same time still trying to stay true to the boom-bap? What we have with this new album 鈥淒AMN.鈥� is him trying to find that middle ground. Part of it, I think, is ego. I think 鈥淭o Pimp A Butterfly鈥� became so much about the product, about the finished album and all the folks who contributed, and in many ways you lose sight of Kendrick in the context of that album. I think he was comfortable with that, but with this it became more about him and those beats.
Natalie Bullock Brown: There is a vulnerability that he has that stands in stark contrast to a lot of what I hear in rap. The fact that he is so introspective is actually something that we should applaud. I think it attracts his listeners to him, because we are able to live vicariously. I think there is something interesting and fascinating about him dissecting himself in these ways and trying to bridge these gaps that he kind of straddles that we don鈥檛 get to watch often.
On the controversy surrounding Kendrick Lamar鈥檚 single 鈥淗UMBLE.鈥� and the criticism that the song glorifies women by objectifying their bodies:
Natalie Bullock Brown: From Kendrick鈥檚 perspective he was trying to be affirming and uplift the naturalista. But what he got in trouble for was the fact that there is a beauty standard that is imposed and projected on black women where we feel a certain pressure to meet the standard, and we do various things to our faces and our hair, and then to be told, 鈥淚 don鈥檛 want you to do that. I want you to do this.鈥� It underscores the fact that the beauty standard is a male construction. The conversation around beauty is often one that when women talk about how they feel on the standard they are told not to complain. That鈥檚 where I feel like he kind of missed the mark. He didn鈥檛 quite catch the nuances of what he was saying.
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On the song 鈥淒UCKWORTH.鈥� produced by Durham-based producer 9th Wonder:
Mark Anthony Neal: 9th and I don鈥檛 talk a whole lot about the inside business, but he gives me a call about three weeks before the album is coming and he says, 鈥淵o Neal, guess what?鈥� He explains to me the fact that some time ago he gave Kendrick 10 beats and Kendrick said he is going to do something with it.... 9th had actually offered the beats to some other folks. Finally, Kendrick hits him back about four or five months ago, shows a video clip playing one of the beats, and doesn鈥檛 say much else. Then, finally, shortly before the album comes out they want clearances and the rest is kind of history.
