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One Woman's Guide To Divorcing America

An illustration of a woman standing on a sandy beach, facing the ocean with her hands resting on her head. She wears a pink and orange swimsuit with a sheer pink cover-up. She has brown skin and brown, curly hair that is shoulder-length. Beside her, an orange suitcase with an American flag sticker that’s partially torn off stands near a metal bench. The background showcases a tropical island with lush greenery, a bright blue sky with wispy clouds, and turquoise waves. The bold red title "Embodied" is prominently displayed at the top.
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In the hours and days following now-President Donald Trump’s re-election, online searches about leaving the U.S. surged. Host Anita Rao talks with a woman who turned a desire to leave the U.S. into reality.

In July 2020, needed a fresh start. The COVID-19 pandemic had been going on for four months, cancelling work she had lined up for the rest of the year. Her wife had just asked to go on a break. So she did something she had been thinking about doing for months: she moved abroad.

In the wake of President Donald Trump’s re-election, online searches for information about leaving the U.S. skyrocketed. The percentage of Americans with a desire to leave the U.S. today is triple what it was in the 1970s, . Experts note that historically, few people turn their desire into a reality. But Tina took the leap in 2020, first living in Jamaica and then moving to Costa Rica where she currently lives a life of “pura vida.”

Anita talks to Tina about why, as a queer Black woman, she left America in search of freedom. Tina answers listener's questions about expat life and shares why she encourages everyone to ask themselves: what would it feel like to be free?

Special thank you to everyone who submitted questions and stories for this episode, including Katie, Christa, Helen, Ashley and Meg.

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Kaia Findlay is the lead producer of Embodied, վ's weekly podcast and radio show about sex, relationships and health. Kaia first joined the վ team in 2020 as a producer for The State of Things.
Anita Rao is an award-winning journalist, host, creator, and executive editor of "Embodied," a weekly radio show and podcast about sex, relationships & health.
Amanda Magnus is the executive producer of Embodied, a weekly radio show and podcast about sex, relationships and health. She has also worked on other վ shows including Tested and CREEP.